
ADAPTED FROM A MESSAGE BY APOSTLE ROY PILLAY SPOKEN TO LEADERS IN RIO DE JANEIRO

Introduction Apostle Roy Pillay spoke about something that must be built into our lives as believers in Christ: attaining a true knowledge of Jesus Christ. It is not merely about hearing *about* Him, but about experiencing Him—truly knowing Him. There is a vast difference between knowing *about* Jesus and *knowing* Jesus. Many people are familiar with the story of Jesus, can quote verses, and have attended church for years, yet they have never had a genuine encounter with Him. This is precisely what we are called to reflect upon during this season.
It is not possible to “know Jesus” without studying His Word. His Word reveals His ways and His thoughts, which are far superior to the ways of man. Knowing Jesus is inextricably linked to the study of His doctrine (His Word).
Knowing Christ Is More Important Than Any Work
In fact, the work of God is receiving Him who was sent to us (John 6:29)
Many of us are involved in church activities—services, meetings, and various ministries—but we must understand that knowing Christ is far more significant than anything else we might do within the church. While our battle is spiritual, the most vital aspect remains knowing Jesus Christ.
As we read the Word, we must strive toward spiritual maturity. The Apostle Paul emphasized the importance of knowing Jesus. We cannot remain as spiritual children indefinitely; we must recognize the power of His resurrection, or else we will never grow. We are meant to share in the experiences of Christ.
Knowing Jesus is not simply a matter of memorizing His life story or reciting verses by heart. You cannot come to know Jesus merely by reading His biography.
A spiritual child relies on others for nourishment, argues over trivial matters, and is easily hurt. Moving beyond spiritual childhood means taking responsibility for one’s own spiritual life.
If the same power that raised Christ from the dead resides within us, it follows that we should have personal experiences—witnessing His power at work in our physical health and our moral lives. Believers need to stop focusing on problems, crises, traumas, and addictions. We must understand that the power of the resurrection provides the strength needed to change behavior and break free from old habits that hinder one’s growth.
Believers need to undergo the same experiences as Christ—to go through the same trials Jesus faced and to respond just as He did. This is the practical test for overcoming.
We cannot conform to what the world says. The world dictates many things, and people often accumulate a great deal of nonsense; this is the mold of the world. We must filter what we hear, what we watch, and what we consume—spiritual maturity means being cleansed.
Sickness and disease can be cured supernaturally by Divine intervention. We must be delivered from the spirit of unbelief. We must stop aligning ourselves with the anxieties and the cares of this world—our health matters to God; it is included in God’s intent for our prosperity.
Philippians 3:10 — “I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death.”
Paul did not say, “I want to do more works for Christ.” He said, “I want to know Christ.” This was the passion of his life—and it should be ours as well.
John 17:3 — “Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.”
Jesus defines eternal life not as a place, but as a relationship—knowing the Father and knowing Him. If eternal life is knowing God, then knowing Jesus is the center of everything.
The first apostles were Eyewitnesses 2 Peter 1:16-18 — “For we did not follow cleverly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. For He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to Him from the Majestic Glory, saying, ‘This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.’ And we ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.”
The apostle Peter is saying that we must not listen to the voice of the world. Our perspective must be the Word of the Lord. The apostle Peter and the other disciples were not following invented stories; they saw, heard, and touched. They had a real experience with Jesus. It was not a theory. It was not a religion. It was life.
And today, it is no different. God does not want you to live on second-hand stories. He wants you to have your own personal experience with Him. God has no grandchildren—only children. You must know Jesus for yourself.
The Danger of Doing Works Without Knowing the Lord.
Matthew 7:22-23 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'”
We will not be recognized or validated by our works, but by our knowledge of the Lord. We must carry out the work of ministry while knowing the Lord. Many will be disqualified—not because of the work itself, but because they were involved in ministry without knowing the One who owns the ministry. Consider the gravity of this: these people were prophesying, casting out demons, and performing miracles—all in the name of Jesus. And yet, Jesus said, “I never knew you.” They performed powerful works, but they lacked a relationship with Him. This shows us that work without intimacy is iniquity in the eyes of God.
This was an excellent word of insight from Apostle Roy Pillay regarding the man on the cross next to Jesus. This man knew Jesus, and he was taken directly to paradise. He said, “This man has done nothing wrong.” He performed no miracles, preached no sermons, and founded no churches—but he knew Jesus. And that knowledge saved his life.
Luke 23:42-43 — “Then he said, ‘Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.’ Jesus answered him, ‘Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in paradise.'”
To know Jesus is to have an experience with Him. Jesus may see you sitting in church, yet not truly know you. It is a sobering thought to attend church for a long time while remaining unknown to Him. It is possible to be among God’s people and yet be a stranger to Him.
Jesus said to some, “Depart from Me; I do not know you.” Even if one is active in ministry, if we do not know the Lord, it means we are practicing iniquity. How can you represent Christ if you do not know Him? How can you speak of Jesus if you do not know Him?
What is the value of having your hands busy with the work of God if your heart is far from His presence? Serving the Lord without knowing Him is a silent danger; the Lord does not look at the fullness of our schedule—He knows, deeply and intimately, those who are His.
Luke 10:40-42. “Martha, however, was busy with many tasks. Coming up to Him, she asked, ‘Lord, do You not care that my sister has left me to do the work all by myself? Tell her to help me!’ The Lord answered, ‘Martha, Martha! You are worried and troubled about many things; yet only one thing is necessary. Mary has chosen the good portion, and it will not be taken away from her.'”
Martha was hosting Jesus in her home, working hard—she was focused on the tasks rather than on the person of the Lord. When Jesus says, “only one thing is necessary,” He shows that ministerial activism can never take the place of sitting at the feet of the Master.
True Fellowship.
1 John 1:1-3 — “That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.”
John is saying that they walked with Jesus; they were eyewitnesses of Christ. They had fellowship with Him and with the Father. This is what we must seek—not a faith based on hearsay, but a faith that involves seeing, hearing, and touching. The fellowship John describes is not superficial; it is deep, real, and transformative.
Job 42:5 — “My ears had heard of you, but now my eyes have seen you.”
This is what we must seek—not a faith based on hearsay, but a faith that involves seeing, hearing, and touching. The fellowship the apostle John describes is deep, real, and transformative.
In this present age, we do not touch Jesus with our physical hands, yet fellowship remains real—through the Spirit, the Word, and prayer; He dwells within us. There is a danger in living solely on doctrines, catchphrases, and the testimonies of others, without ever having a personal encounter with Christ. Job experienced this; he was a changed man after his encounter—after he came to know the Lord.
Truly Belonging to Christ.
Paul described himself as a bondservant of Jesus Christ. He stated that he belonged to Jesus, having been purchased by His blood. Jesus paid the price for him. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 — “Do you not know that your body is a sanctuary of the Holy Spirit who dwells in you, whom you have received from God, and that you are not your own? You were bought at a high price. Therefore, glorify God with your body.” Paul chastised the believers who gathered in the household of Chloe for the manifestation of the spirit of sectarianism.
1 Corinthians 1:12-13
12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
Examine to whom you truly belong in practice. Who directs your decisions, your time, and your heart? This is a real relationship, not a superficial one. A bondservant is no ordinary servant; he knows his Lord.
People often give answers that reflect mere affiliations—claiming to belong to certain groups or individuals—but who died for you on the cross? There is a great deal of idolatry within the church. The role of a pastor is to lead you to know God; otherwise, you will remain in iniquity. A pastor is not here to be your idol, but to lead you to Christ.
A pastor must point you toward the Lamb, not toward himself. John the Baptist pointed to the Lamb; he decreased so that the Lord might increase. This is the essential principle of true Christian leadership. The focus should never be on the messenger, but on Christ.
John 1:29-30. The next day, John saw Jesus approaching and said, “Look! It is the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is the one I was referring to when I said: A man is coming after me who is superior to me, because He existed before me.”
John the Baptist was a renowned prophet who drew large crowds, yet he stated that Jesus was superior to him and that his own mission was merely to reveal Christ. He even admits, “I myself did not know Him.” He only truly came to know Him when God revealed Him. This shows just how essential it is to know Jesus.
Do not build your faith solely on the experiences of other men. A pastor after God’s own heart will always point you toward the Lamb. True leadership steps aside so that you may have a genuine encounter with Christ.
What We Have to Give.
Acts 3:1-6 — “One day, Peter and John were going up to the temple at the hour of prayer—three in the afternoon. A man who had been lame from birth was being carried to the temple gate called Beautiful, where he was placed every day to beg from those entering the temple courts. When he saw Peter and John about to enter, he asked them for alms. Peter and John looked straight at him, and Peter said, ‘Look at us!’ The man looked at them intently, expecting to receive something from them. Then Peter said, ‘Silver or gold I do not have, but what I do have, I give to you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk!'”
Peter and John possessed something that money could not buy: the presence and power of Jesus. They truly knew Jesus, and because of this, they were able to give what they had. They did not offer alms; they offered life. They did not give a coin; they gave a miracle—because what they had was Jesus.
In Christ’s view, many churches are dead, even though they have a reputation for being alive. But Heaven sees everything. They only seek to receive, rather than to give.
Revelation 3:20 — “Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.”
Revelation 3:1 — “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead.”
In Christ’s view, many churches today are dead, despite having a reputation for being alive. Heaven sees everything; often, we only seek to receive, rather than to give. And the situation becomes even more serious when we look at the church in Laodicea.
A service was taking place inside the church, with people using the name of Jesus—yet He was on the outside, knocking at the door! He saw a gathering that lacked communion with Him.
Imagine coming to church, bringing tithes and offerings, singing, preaching, and lifting your hands—only to hear from Jesus, in the end, that you are dead, because He remained outside your heart.
The Presence of God Transforms the Atmosphere.
Paul, unlike the other original apostles, never walked with Jesus, nor did he ever physically touch Him, yet he heard the Lord speaking. He felt the Lord’s presence, and that Presence changed Paul’s life.
Acts 9:3–6: “As he journeyed, he approached Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven shone around him. He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, ‘Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?’ Saul asked, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ He replied, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. Now, get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.'”
The church must learn how to host the presence of God. We need to prepare the environment to receive the Lord’s presence. The presence of God dwells within each of us.
1 Corinthians 3:16: “Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?”
For instance, noisy children should be set apart; they are easily distracted and do not yet grasp the concept of an environment that requires reverence. We must teach the value of God’s presence from an early age.
The presence of God in a home brings well-being. For three months, God transformed the economic situation of Obed-Edom’s household.
2 Samuel 6:11. “The ark of the Lord remained in the house of Obed-Edom the Gittite for three months, and the Lord blessed him and his entire household.”
The presence of God transforms everything. It transforms the home, finances, health, and life itself. Yet, we must receive it with reverence and faith.
We must be good hosts, honoring the Lord’s grace as it manifests through men of God. Whenever a man of God comes to stay in your home, you should ensure the environment is healthy and peaceful.
The woman from Shunem created a permanent space for rest and privacy, providing essential items for Elisha. This serves as a model of selfless hospitality rooted in spiritual discernment.
Conclusion. Knowing Jesus Is the Priority.
After studying all these teachings—the message of the Apostle Roy Pillay—we arrive at the overarching conclusion of the message: Christianity is not a religion based on information, but a life of transformation through an intimate relationship with Christ.
The Absolute Priority. Knowing Christ transcends any work, ministry, or religious activity.
Philippians 3:10: “I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death.”
This verse reveals Paul’s heart. The point is not to do more for Christ, but to know Christ.
John 17:3: “Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.”
Eternal life is defined by knowing the Father and the Son. The relationship takes precedence over one’s location or setting.
The Danger of Empty Religion.
Matthew 7:22–23 and the church in Laodicea (Revelation 3:20) serve as a solemn warning: it is possible to prophesy, cast out demons, and attend religious services, only to hear the words, “I never knew you.”
Work without intimacy is iniquity. Martha served, while Mary sat at Jesus’ feet; only one thing is necessary: knowing Christ.
A Personal Experience, Not Secondhand. Peter, John, and the thief on the cross teach us that true faith involves seeing, hearing, and touching. “God has no grandchildren—only children.” Job moved from “hearing about” God to “seeing Him with his own eyes.” Genuine communion is deep, transformative, and personal.
Spiritual Maturity in Practice. Moving beyond spiritual childhood means taking responsibility for one’s own spiritual life and experiencing the power of the resurrection—a power that transforms health, morals, habits, and addictions—in order to live in holiness.
Romans 8:11: “And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit, who lives in you.”
True Belonging. We were bought at a high price (1 Corinthians 6:19–20: “Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own”). To whom do you belong in practice? True pastoral leadership points toward the Lamb, not toward itself—much like John the Baptist, who decreased so that Christ might increase.
What We Have to Give. Peter and John gave what they had: Jesus. Not silver or gold, but life and power. The church must shift from a focus on receiving to a focus on giving—moving from a mere reputation of being “alive” to experiencing true life in Christ.
The Transformative Presence. The Presence of the Ark in the house of Obed-Edom, the experience of the Shunammite woman, and Saul’s encounter on the road to Damascus all bear witness to the fact that the presence of God transforms homes, finances, lives, and environments. We are the sanctuary of the Spirit, and we must welcome His presence with reverence and faith.
You may have sat in church for years and yet remain a stranger to the Lord. You might have your hands busy with the work, while your heart remains distant from His presence. The Lord does not look at the size of your schedule; He knows, in the depths of His heart, those who are truly His. Knowing Jesus is the priority; everything else—works, ministries, doctrines, experiences—finds its true meaning only when it stems from this real, intimate, and transformative relationship with the Lamb of God.
May we be able to say, as the Apostle Paul did: “I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death.” Grace and peace.
Thank you, Apostle Roy Pillay. You are an inspiration for my studies.




















































